In Defense of the 700 Ultimate Sheep Rifle

Well folks, we’re back. I know it’s been awhile since the last post, but Summer 2017 has been busy and full of guns, gear, training, and some other pretty dope stuff. I’ve got a lot of new material in the works, including some YouTube reviews and AARs.

But enough on us, let’s get down to the good stuff: guns.

USR

Lately I’ve seen Big Green getting a lot of flak over their newly announced Model 700 “Ultimate Sheep Rifle”. In fact, just today I was listening to a podcast that was giving the USR the business – despite none of them having any trigger time behind it or any serious mountain hunting experience. They cited it’s use of a stock, and essentially criticized it for not being a chassis gun. They pointed out that the 6.5 CM is an unusual choice for a hunting cartridge, and even wondered if the gun was “custom” because it was made by Remington, and compared what they thought was the Remington Custom Shop to S&W’s Performance Center. And the biggest complaint of them all: the $5,895 MSRP. So let’s break it down.

First of all, yes, Remington does have a custom shop. Based in Sturgis, SD, the Remington Custom Shop does exactly what you would think it does: build custom guns. Although the USR is one of a few models that are available as pre-selected builds, Remington Custom also lets you have it any way you want. Prices can vary widely, as any custom project can from another. The shop itself is relatively new, having been established in Sturgis in 2015, but is run by a crew of experienced gunsmiths that know how to produce quality products. Hand checkering, hand layed custom stocks, jeweled bolts, and action truing mills would be pretty common sights at RCS.

Now let’s itemize the components. (All are MSRP and rounded to nearest dollar)

  • Action: Remington 700 Titanium Short Action (approx. $1,450)
  • Stock: Manners EH-8 ($632 + Cerakote)
  • Barrel: Proof Research Carbon Wrapped w/ Muzzle Brake (approx. $900)
  • Bolt: Badger Mini Knob w/ Badger M16 Extractor ($70)
  • Trigger: Timney 510 ($146)

Total: $3,198

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Now, there area a few other various parts and accessories that should be accounted for, but are hard to track down solid numbers on. This would include the bipod rail, dual ejectors, and a hand full of aluminum parts to reduce weight. We’d also be remiss if we didn’t mention the bedding job, Cerakoting by Scalpel Arms, and presumed action truing of a titanium action. And that’s not even mentioning that the 6.5 CM barrel from Proof doesn’t appear to be commercially available yet.

So, if we calculate by the components alone being approximately $3,300 before any sort of gun smithing to actually get the gun running, the advertised MSRP of $5,895 doesn’t begin to seem nearly as unreasonable. I would venture to guess that people shelling out anywhere near this kind of money are probably used to the idea of a high-end, expensive custom rifle that commands a price tag similar to or even higher than the near 6K of the Remington.

Is it all worth it? Well… that’s for you to decided. But a custom rifle is a custom rifle, and if it floats your boat and you don’t need a second mortgage for it, then give it hell.


But with all that being said, if you measure the gun from a performance standard, you might run into more of a quandary. Accuracy and lightweight in bolt guns are easy to do, and you can certainly find cheaper rifles that might fit the performance build of the 700 USR. Certainly there are other rifles that are lightweight and accuracy, but they won’t be custom. And if you’re budget commands that, then a cheaper option is probably the way to go. Hell, the Ruger American is lightweight and accurate, but it feels cheap as hell. Because it’s not custom.

So as far as criticisms go, does the USR deserve all this negative attention? Well… probably not if you evaluate it as a custom rifle. But if you simply look at it from a performance based perspective, then yeah… it’s not worth nearly $6,000.00.

Until Victory.

-TZ

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Army’s “New” Rifle – The Interim Battle Rifle

As early as April of 2017, there have been mutterings across the internet  via some “in-the-know” websites that the US Army was seeking information on a new service rifle cartridge. Although it’s been talked about for years, leaving the 5.56NATO has, until recently, seemed like a very distant prospect. With the Army’s new adaptation of the M855A1 cartridge and the proliferation of the Mk262 SOST bullet, it seemed that rather than adopt an entirely new cartridge, the services were more interested in making the 5.56NATO more efficient.

But fast forward to just a few days ago when Military.com reported that the Army was now officially seeking information on a commercial, off the shelf (COTS) 7.62×51 rifle to be fielded as the “Interim Battle Rifle”. The full article can be found here.

The RFI specifically calls for a 7.62×51 rifle that has either a 16 or 20 inch barrel, collapsible stock, “extended forward rail”, and be magazine fed with at least 20 round magazines. Oh, and by the way, make it less than 12 lbs.

General Milley also very clearly stated that it could not be a “custom” rifle, and had to be readily available. Additionally, he made it known that not every rifle in the Army’s inventory would be replaced with the “IBR”, but rather the 7.62 guns would be issued out to squads and teams as needed, depending on mission, environment, threat level, etc.

What does it mean for the future? Well, that’s hard to say. I think it signals the Army’s belief that a “more potent” cartridge is needed, but going back to the 7.62 wholesale just brings back problems that created the 5.56NATO and M16 in the first place: weight, magazine capacity, and load carrying ability. I think what’s more likely, based on the “INTERIM” label, is that a new “intermediate plus” cartridge will be more closely examined: something between the 5.56 and the 7.62. Will it ever actually happen? I’m a little doubtful. Price alone and conversion would be a pretty hard sell, but who knows.

My personal thought is that the Army is basically saying in this RFI is this:

HK417

Nice G28, Bundeswehr. We’ll take some of those.

The US Military has hit some home runs with H&K in recent history, and I suspect they’ll be looking hard at the 417 as a COTS rifle to fill their immediate needs. But that’s just me.

Until Victory.

TZ

 

Springfield Armory – What The Hell Are You Thinking?!

The XD-E? Really? I mean, on the one hand, I’m pretty pumped that my YouTube screen shot skills paid off and I nearly called the “secret” product release a few days in advance, but I’ve got to say, I’m probably even less impressed that I thought I would be.

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It’s not that the design of the gun is necessarily bad, but I just don’t think it’s what the market is looking for – although this one is somewhat unique to the segment. It’s essentially a single-stack 9mm that’s has a hammer fired, DA/SA fire control group. It also has a manual safety/decocker, and can be carried either “cocked and locked” (a la 1911), DA with out safety, or DA with a safety, similar to Heckler and Koch’s multipurpose safety-decocker. The safety-decocker is what makes this particular gun a little different than it’s competition. Some will be glad the grip safety from the other X D series of guns is deleted, but personally I’m a take it or leave it kind of guy.

My prediction of a Springfield branded “Walther PPS” type gun was pretty close! But my biggest question is: why? Nobody asked for this. If you prefer small carrier guns that are hammer fired you can carry any number of revolvers or DA subcompacts, not to mention that SA essentially created a competitive product for their own XDS. This was Springfield’s “best kept secret”, and what they’ve been working on the past two years (according to Rob Leatham)? Bad call. Probably an even worse call than the Saint – which was also a huge market disappointment.

It’s not that Springfield is making bad products in a design or engineering sense, but they’re releasing the wrong products into an already flooded market. The Saint had a TERRIBLE marketing campaign – and still does, and nobody asked SA for the XD-E. 2017 demands new things, and the manufacturers need to figure that out: we want revolvers without internal locks, better optics ready pistols, rifles that aren’t just another lightened or “enhanced” AR, and more 10mm’s! ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY 10!


In other news, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms both sold out their fellow 2A Americans in their home State of Illinois.

Illinois SB-1657 is essentially a bill that would create a State level gun licensing program that would be in addition to federal FFLs and BATFE regulations. It would also demand that anyone who sells more than nine firearms per year get a dealer’s license. In short – it would be a huge pain in the ass for a lot of lawful gun owners.

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Instead of supporting their customer base and fighting the bill, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms took the path of least resistance and offered a “neutral” stance if manufacturers of firearms in Illinois were provided an exemption to the proposed law. This was obviously immediately accommodated for two reasons: even Democrats can’t deny the tax base that firearms manufactures represent, and it’s easier to repress lawful gun owners if the manufacturers won’t back them with their own money.

Shame on you, Springfield and RRA. Law abiding, armed citizens are an awfully loyal bunch, and they won’t be quick to forgive you. Hell, people are still mad at Smith-Wesson and Ruger for their Clinton area deals, so I can’t imagine that either company is going to fair very well for this. Sucks to be you guys.

Until Victory.

-Z

Monday 4/17 – FN Announces the 509

This morning, fans of FN Herstal (FN/FN America) announced the newest addition to their pistol lineup: the FN 509.

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According the FN, the 509 is very similar to the gun they submitted to the US Army during the most recent MHS trials that resulted in the selection of the Sig P320 to replace the aging stock of Beretta M-9s. FN specifically mentioned that the 509 is essentially a redesign of the FNS, and specifically reference the FNS-9C in some interviews regarding its intent for citizen carry.

At first glance, the 509 is a pretty typical plastic gun affair: striker fired, 5.5-7.5lb trigger, black, 4″ barrel, 17 round magazine, Browning link-less tilting barrel lock up, and coming in at 5.56″ in height and 7.4 OAL. In short, it’s nearly identical in size to the original FNS-9, which can be imagined like this: Glock 19 slide assembly on top of a Glock 17 frame. Although this comparison isn’t exact, it might get you in the right ballpark if you’re more familiar with the Glock series of 9mms.

As far as appearance, it looks like the “FNS-9 2.0”. It’s a refreshed, updated version of the FNS-9, similar to what Smith & Wesson did to the M&P series of handguns. If you look at it long enough from just the right angle, it looks like some sort of XDM/Walther slide on a Ruger American frame that has the M&P 2.0’s abbreviated beavertail. It also reminds me of a classic muscle car, with “509” emblazoned on the side like it’s some sort of advertisement for a V8 hemi.

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Do you see it? Or is it just me?

While I haven’t gotten the chance to fire one yet, I do look forward to the opportunity to give one a shot at a local range. I can’t say I’m chomping at the bit to run out and buy one, since I have a regular FNS-9, but you never know – maybe it’s a game changer. I’ve been throughly impressed with the FNS-9, and I think that the 509 has a lot to offer from a very storied gun maker. I guess only time will tell. FN has historically built some very fine, but perhaps under appreciated, pistols – and I hope the 509 will bring them more into the mainstream American market.

Until Victory.

-Z

This Week in Guns: Lucky Gunner Labs and a New American Battle Rifle?

Yesterday, Lucky Gunner Ammo published additionally test results from their big handgun carry ammo testing that they’ve been doing for awhile for the .38 Spl and .357 Magnum cartridges. Previously they had examined different loads for the .380ACP, 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45ACP. The table format that they use to present the information is very clear and easy to read, and it’s easy to find the important figures you’re looking for: penetration depth, expansion measurements, and velocity, all figured as 5 shot averages (except for penetration, those are shown as individual rounds).

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The Lucky Gunner tests are pretty cool, and the complete results can be found here. Of note, the tests were run using both a 2″ barrel and a 4″ barrel, and both tables show those results. The results are interesting and unfortunately, the .357 isn’t the atomic bomb that I’d secretly hoped it would be. There’s no denying that the .357 has been a very successful man-stopper, but in gel it doesn’t look that much different than any other typical service cartridge. But keep in mind, gel is only part of the story. Make sure to check out Lucky Gunner Labs for the whole test protocol and results.


In other news, Soldier Systems Daily reported today that the US Army is apparently considering adopting a “new” battle rifle to extend the range of the average rifleman. Apparently this request stems from units feeling outgunned overseas, with their 5.56NATO carbines not matching the range of some enemy 7.62x54R weapons. The entire writeup can be found here.

An interesting observation is that apparently this is a stop-gap, or “interim” solution, which suggests that the Army might adopt an entirely different cartridge and family of weapons in the future for this stated purpose. I suppose the logical solution is to order some sort of commercial gun that already exists or expand existing orders for weapons chambered in 7.62NATO that are already in service. One thing that’s not entirely clear is the scope of this “proposal”. Is the Army seriously considering issuing a 7.62 rifle to every gunslinger in a line company? If that’s the case, I have to seriously doubt that this is going to happen, not because of practicality, but because of cost.

Until Victory.

-TZ

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/#38spl

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/04/05/us-army-considers-7-62-interim-battle-rifle/